Gene Roddenberry's
Andromeda -- 2 Season
Notes and Comments
The
Widening Gyre
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"If
we do not live another day, say this over our pyre: They died like High
Guard Lancers With their faces to the fire." Regimental Hymn of the
13th Imperial Lancers, CY 4233
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"The Second Coming" by William Butler Yeats: Turning and turning in the widening gyre
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One time when Laura and Kevin
were going back to their trailers, the hallway was littered with the fake
Magog bodies. But just as they got to the doorway, one of the Magog sneezed!
It was a real person lying there in full Magog makeup and prostheses. She
said she'd never jumped so high. Kevin got a good laugh. (13.10.02 Slipstream
BBS: Laura Bertram on V-Con in Vancouver - report by Zion's Starfish) |
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Keith Hamilton Cobb: The transition back to production after extended time away is not easy. Especially beginning with the guts and gore second half of the first season finale. Jumping directly back into the vats of stage blood and slime, and swimming around in it for a week is not what I became an actor for. (06.04.01 Andromeda Journal - formerly on The Official KHCobb Site) | ||||
Brent Stait told the fans that during the scene where Rev kills Bloodmist, apparently in one take, the prosthetics glue had "melted" a bit, and their faces got stuck together. (04.02 Starfest Convention) | ||||
Rev is quoting Dante's Inferno - Rev: Behold the fiery beast with razor tail that cuts through mountains, trampling castles down. Inhale the stench that makes the whole world wail. It's from the beginning of Canto XVII and is spoken by Virgil about the monster Geryon. In Greek mythology Geryon was three-bodied giant, herd of red cattle on island Eurytheia, in the distant West. He was killed by Herakles on one of his labours. Transforming Geryon in "the disgusting image of deceit", Dante followed the latest tradition in which Geryon by the mild face, gentle speeches and all treatment of the visitors undermined their vigilance and then killed the people who entrusted him. |
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Exit
Strategies
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"The
soul is larger than the sky, Deeper than the ocean, Or the abysmal dark
Of the unfathomed center." Enoch Vere de Vere. "Lamentations
Sous - Terre" CY 9734
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Beka (In the first part): Objects in motion tend to stay in motion. + Dylan (In the last part): Objects in motion tend to stay in motion, don't they? Isaac Newton's First Law: "An object at rest stays at rest, an object in motion stays in motion with a constant velocity, if there is no net external force between the object and the environment." |
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All the snow shots of the episode were made on the mount Seymour (near Vancouver). | ||||
Keith Hamilton Cobb: Episode two is easier [than "Widening Gyre"] on my skin and nervous system. Some interesting location work. I'm still wondering how the Eureka Maru, shaped like she is, (no aerodynamic streamlining whatsoever to speak of) manages to achieve escape velocity to get off those planets. (6.04.01 Andromeda Journal - formerly on The Official KHCobb Site) | ||||
Painting the landscape
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Pic was posted on AMB
by Jim Finn
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Kevin drops the Force Lance...
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twice in one scene!
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A Heart
For Falsehood Framed
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"Love?
Truth? Beauty? I prefer negotiable securities." Doge Miskich Var
Miskich, "All About Me" 301 AFC
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Working title "All
That Glitters"
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It's a poem by Richard Brinsley Sheridan
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Austrian physicist Erwin Schrodinger (1887-1961) has thought up modelling experiment which now is wandering all over textbooks on quantum physics and has the name "Schroedinger's Cat" - for that famous feline of theoretical physics who may be dead in a box or alive in a box, but until you open the box and observe him, he is neither alive nor dead. Classical logic has "yes" and "no". Quantum mechanics has third logical element - "perhaps". Good sobriquet for the elusive Leydon. And really good shade of meaning Beka-Leydon relationship. |
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Ethlie Ann Vare (writer): "It definitely has a light touch - kind of like a 1950s Cary Grant movie. I think even in our dark future there's room for the occasional romp. The trick is making it a believable and integral part of the Andromeda universe." (7.05.01 The Darkest Night.com) | ||||
Dylan: Good, that's everyone. You may be wondering why I've called you all here today. It's time to return the Hegemon's Heart to its rightful owner. It is very nice classic line of many detective stories. |
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David Winning (director): <...> One of the most amusing times on set, in sci-fi world at least, was during the shooting of an Andromeda episode - and Nicole Parker was playing the Than part of the Clarion of Loss. <...> The inside of the head had been finished quite late and the outside surface still smelled heavily of glue and paint. Cameras rolled on the tense boardroom scene: the now dizzying Clarion of Loss smashed her "fist" on the table and stormed out (except she didn't really know which way out was). Cameras pan over to Kevin Sorbo having the last word in the scene, and in the background over his shoulder Clarion crashed beak-first into the wall set -- slightly missing the door exit. The look on Kevin's face was priceless and assistant director Richard Flower ran in to save poor Nicole. She was uninjured, am happy to say. (16.03.05 Exclusive Interview on Stargate-Project.de) | ||||
Pitiless
As The Sun
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"We
are not the masks we wear. But if we don them, do we not become them?"
Keops Tsumai, "Fortunes" CY 9683
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Working title "The
Interview"
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"The Second Coming" by William Butler Yeats <...> Surely the Second Coming is at
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Zack Stentz (writer): "It was originally supposed to be Rev Bem in the chair! In fact, it was Rev being interrogated through most drafts of the script. And it was terrific stuff, too, with Rev talking about how it feels to eat another sentient being, the deep pleasure he must deny himself, and so on. It would have been wonderful to see Brent go toe-to-toe with William B. Davis. Unfortunately, this was the script that had to be totally rewritten because of Brent's reaction to the makeup. So Emily, eight months pregnant and flat on her back due to enforced bedrest, turned around a complete rewrite in three days, changing Rev to Trance. Okay, just for fun, here's a snippet from
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Kevin Sorbo: "The one we've just wrapped is called "The Interview", but I have a feeling they are going to change the title. I don't know why. It's an interesting episode for Trance Gemini because it finally give a chance for the audience to see a little darker side to her character. Of course, when I say 'darker' I just mean that, typically, her character embodies goodness. She's very God-like, and we're getting more into that, but this episode also shows she is someone not to be screwed around with… um… I mean a creature not to be trifled with… to use the English phrase." Amid much laughter about the propriety of the great British, Sorbo reveals, "It's a good episode for Trance but it is split 50/50. The other half concentrates on what Dylan has to deal with regarding his 'plan of the people' he wants to initiate. And a spot of bother he gets into became of Beka Valentine. We're going to introduce a brand new enemy. A nasty new crop of villains called the Pyrians. Their name is sort of taken from 'pyro' as they are very fiery looking creatures - a computer generated species. Their introduction kind of ties in with Trance's story because she's being bothered - not by these Pyrians - but by other people who don't like her kind. We're dealing with a little racism and issues like that." (08.01 Cult Times #71) | |
Kevin Sorbo: We had, um... There were some aliens called the Pyrians, which is a cool name for aliens. And they were sort of - we never saw what they looked like through the entire first season. And then we saw them for the first time. And it was really, really disappointing. They looked like squid with little strings on the back. And when they came on, you were kind of waiting for basically, for uh… (starts humming) A little dance. You know, they're gonna hate me back up in Canada now for saying that. (14.02.02 Late Late Show with Craig Kilborn, TV) Richard Lewis (Production Designer): Since the Pyrians were CGI and produced AFTER we finished principal photography on that episode, none of us saw them until it aired. Kevin Sorbo of course was looking at a blue-screen when he talked to them on the set. (15.02.02 Slipstream BBS) |
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Last
Call At The Broken Hammer
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"Life?
Life's pretty much a knife-fight in a dirt-floored bar: And if they get
you down, you best get back up." Gunnery Sergeant Hywell Cy'Rabla
CY 4681
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The phrase 'Last Call at the Broken Hammer'
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Prior to landing Tyr was reading "The Book of the Five Rings" by Miyamoto Musashi (17th century). One of Japan's great samurai sword masters penned in decisive, unfaltering terms this certain path to victory, and like Sun Tzu's The Art of War it is applicable not only on the battlefield but also in all forms of competition. Always observant, creating confusion, striking at vulnerabilities--these are some of the basic principles. Most important of all is Miyamoto's concept of rhythm, how all things are in harmony, and that by working with the rhythm of a situation we can turn it to our advantage with little effort. This book is used as a tool by modern management, and is filled with philosophy as well as actual martial doctrine. |
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Trance: What happened here? -- Tyr: The Kalderans happened, apparently. -- Dylan: Carthago Delenda Est. (Beka gives him looks) It's Old Earth. It means total destruction. "Carthago Delenda Est" (Latin for "Carthage must be destroyed") was a saying by the Roman Senator Cato, who got annoyed that Carthage's success in trade was hurting the Roman economy. The Romans did utterly destroy Carthage. The Kalderans, a race of militaristic pack hunters, were the ancient enemies of the Vedran Empire and its successor, the Systems Commonwealth. In a way, they were the Carthage to Tarn-Vedra's Rome. (05.03.01 From the Story by Robert Hewitt Wolfe for this episode - on his official site) |
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Zack Stentz (writer): Dylan wears civilian clothes, which look genuinly good, contrary to the polyester sweaters worn by civilians in most TV SF series. (05.01 Slipstream BBS) | ||||
Keith Hamilton Cobb: Day two of
production on episode six, "Last Call at the Broken Hammer". Some
new clothes for this episode! Alternatives to chain mail are always welcome.
The costume designer, new for this season, has some marvelous ideas that
she's bringing to fruition. But my new boots, while quite an improvement,
are bigger than my feet, which makes me trip on things, which makes me fall
down, which makes me bang up my knee, which makes me walk around with an
icepack strapped to my leg, which makes Ernie, the stunt coordinator think
I'm a klutz and has him thinking twice about letting me do stunts, which
I had just begun to succeed in getting him to let me do. Terrence, my stunt
double, hasn't been getting much work off of me lately. Funny how a little
icepack on the knee could change all that, and get everyone uptight enough
to make every little on-camera jump and tumble a federal case. (16.05.01
Andromeda Journal - formerly on The Official Keith Hamilton Cobb Site) |
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Gordon Michael Woolvett: [My wife] Michele [Morand] is an actress and model by trade - and she was pregnant when we needed a pregnant character for an episode, so it worked out. <...> They didn't want to cast somebody who was really pregnant because pyros were going to be used and they would have to worry about doubling for her. But her agent said, 'Come on, you can't fake that!' They ended up doubling her during the explosions. (03.02 Starlog #296) | ||||
Sorbo appears in the bar, holding a big clod. He looks kind awkward: Oops, sorry, I had a Hercules flashback. Wrong show. Lisa Ryder is laughing hysterically as Kevin in his black leather coat carries the boulder away. | ||||
All
Too Human
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"Worlds
governed by artificial intelligence often learned a hard lesson: Logic
Doesn't Care." Yin-Man Wei, "This Present Darkness: A History
of the Interregnum." CY 11956
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The title bears an intentional nod to the Nietzsche's book "Human, All Too Human" (1878). In it, Nietzsche had broken off with his former values: christianity, metaphysics, Wagner and Schopenhauer... So we have a possibility to chain the idea not only to "Too Human" Rommie, but to the wide gap between the Uber's principles and almost a sacrifice made by "Too Human" Tyr. |
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Trance: Captain Hunt, the sensor drones are fully deployed and the missile launch has just been completed. We're five-by-five with HTE. -- Dylan (surprised): Why, thank you, Trance. -- Beka: Five-by-five? -- Trance: Military talk. Zack Stentz (writer): Five by five is actually an old military radio term. The fives refer to the signal's strength and clarity. Five by five means everything's good and you're hearing the person loud and clear. |
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Lexa Doig: "My big climatic fight scene
was with Roger Cross. He's had martial arts training so we were able to
get down and dirty." When Doig mentioned 'down and dirty,' she may have been speaking quite literally. "We were in these tunnels at a downtown post office. They were concrete and had to be wet down all the time. Apparently the walls weren't coated with a sealer, so they'd suck up moisture like crazy. The crew kept hosing them down, and it wasn't long before we were ankle-deep in water. At one point we were shooting a walk-and-talk scene with a dolly. I know we're going to have to go back and dub the whole thing because you could hear our feet sloshing through the water. It was messy but fun at the same time." The episode also involved filming in a Power Tech Lab, which proved to be quite confronting for the actress. "The entire room we shot in had to be grounded. Apparently, they conduct some kind of electrical tests in that place, and a lot of what I thought was set decorating wasn't, including these large weird looking cylinders that the engineers there apparently shoot electricity out of. You would not believe how high the walls in this room were. Have you ever been in a high school gymnasium? Well, double that. There was a catwalk right below the ceiling that ran along the sides of the walls. Half-way through the day one of the ADs [Assistant Directors] came up to me and asked, 'are you afraid of heights?' I asked why and she told me, 'the director is thinking of doing a shot with you walking along the catwalk.' I said, 'I'm not sure. Why don't you get me up there and we'll find out.' We went up there, I took five steps out onto a grate, and had no problem admitting to them, 'yes, I'm afraid of heights'. Are you familiar with the saying, 'Actions speak louder than words?' That's very true in this instance. What Rommie does is more important than what she says. " (10.01 TV Zone #143) |
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Zack Stentz (writer): "The whole point of the C-story was to demonstrate Andromeda's preferred way of dealing with an enemy it far outclasses-- blow it away from a long way away, preferably before it even knows what hit it. And if that's too esoteric, simply remember Trance's line: "They never had a chance." (12.11.01 Slipstream BBS) | |
Keith Hamilton Cobb: "Rev Bem is a puzzle for Tyr, who finds it tough to like the Magog - any Magog. We recently shot the story "All Too Human" in which they are stuck underwater in the Maru and must make some hard choices about survival. Tyr is dismissive of Rev but doesn't mean to be. It's part of a Nietzschean's modus operandi to convince others that you could care less what they have to say, when, in fact, you really do." (08.01 TV Zone #141) | |
Zack Stentz (writer): Harper's proven himself a useful little man on several occasions. Tyr considers him an investment. And Nietzscheans protect their investments very carefully. Or so Tyr tells himself... (13.11.01 Slipstream BBS) |
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Zack Stentz (writer): To me, what makes Tyr such an interesting, and even tragic character, is that he's at heart a decent man who's been born and bred to be a selfish killer. That was what was so fun about writing him in "All Too Human"-- it was putting him in a situation where his two sides were at war with each other. (30.09.02 Slipstream BBS) | |
Zack Stentz (writer): The whole point was
to contrast and compare how three different characters-- Rommie, Tyr, and
Dylan-- make decisions and what moral and ethical factors play a role in
those decisions they make. And the emotion/logic dichotomy is overly simplistic.
Rommie has emotions, they just manifest themselves in very different ways
than they would a human. The mistake viewers make is to view Rommie as a
metallic human, when in fact she's an alien lifeform with a distinctively
nonhuman ethical framework. And if that makes some shallow viewers feel
uncomfortable or "icky", so be it. We wouldn't be doing our jobs
as writers if we didn't explore the implications of sentient AI warships,
even if they lead to troubling places. Again, she was designed and trained
to implement decisions without considering their ethical or moral dimensions
(because, as someone else pointed out, you don't want your warship second-guessing
your decisions in a combat situations.) But because she's a sentient being who learns and grows from her experiences, she was eventually able to come to a place of making an empathic, compassionate command decision (to deactivate the reactor before she left)-- and ironically, her interactions with her enemy Carter were a factor in helping her come to this place. That's what Dylan was recognizing -- that and the fact that she accomplished her very important mission in the face of overwhelming odds and a minimum loss of life. (19.03.02 Slipstream BBS) |
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Zack Stentz (writer): Actually, there are a few Russian references that we manage to slip in to "Andromeda" now and again. The Tyr/Rev B-story in "All Too Human" was indirectly inspired by the sad story of the submarine "Kursk" and its brave sailors, for example. (30.09.02 Slipstream BBS) |
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Ashley Edward Miller (writer): The shot-but-never-seen actual final scene of "All Too Human": REV BEM'S QUARTERS |
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Una
Salus Victus
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"Requested:
One Mark V ECM unit, 1000 km of Fullerene cable, one low-yield nuclear
warhead. Purpose: Surprise party for foreign dignitary". Argosy Special
Operations requisition form, CY 9512
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The title comes from Virgil's "Aeneid". The themes of this classic poem are duty and sacrifice; it talks about the 'Roman Mission' to civilise the world. The concrete quote is from the Aeneas' speech which marks the last attempt of Trojans to stop Greeks forcing their way into the town: "Una salus victis nullam sperare salutem." |
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Dylan: Una Salus Victus. -- Tyr: Una... The one hope of the doomed? -- Dylan: The unit motto of the Argosy Special Operations Service. "The one hope of the doomed is not to hope for safety." The literal translation would be "The one salvation of the conquered is not to hope for salvation". "Victus" means "conquered" - "doomed" is taking liberties with it. But for the Argosy motto version stated by Dylan sounds far more ravishing. |
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Zack Stentz (writer): The Aeneid is a lot
harsher than many people think. Remember, it's not just the desperate
flight from Troy, but the war along the banks of the Tiber against Turnus,
an implaccable enemy who isn't actually such a bad guy. The Aeneid ends
with Aeneas mercilessly slaying Turnus. Likewise, the Iliad is, in the
midst of the brutality, a lot more humane than often believed. Achilles
does his whole descent into berserker vengefulness, true, but by the end
he's sitting in his tent weeping with Priam over their mutual losses.
Aeneas never re-connects with his humanity the way Achilles does-- IMHO,
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"And… cut!" announces director
Allan Kroeker. It's day four on "Una Salus Victus". <...>
As the show's FX team begin resetting their pyrotechnics for another take,
cast members Kevin Sorbo and Keith Hamilton Cobb take a moment to relax.
"That was even better that I had imagined," Kroeker tells them.
"It's almost a Western, isn't it?" |
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Tyr: We might let God sort them out, but
(laughing) someone told me he was dead. -- Dylan: Heh...that Nietzsche.
What a comedian. "Kill them all, let God sort them out," is a military slogan, which Tyr may gather from some book... Two references introduce Friedrich Nietzsche's idea about the death of God. In "The Gay Science" (aphorism "The Madman") Nietzsche first proclaimed the death of God: "Have you not heard of that madman... <...> 'Whether is God?' he cried. 'I shall tell you. We have killed him - you and I. All of us are his murderers. <...> God is dead! God remains dead! And we have killed him! <...> Shall we not ourselves have to become Gods, merely to seem worthy of it?" In "Thus Spoke Zarathustra" (chapter "The Pitiful"): "Woe unto all loving ones who have not an elevation which is above their pity! Thus spake the devil unto me, once on a time: 'Ever God hath his hell: it is his love for man.' And lately did I hear him say these words: 'God is dead: of his pity for man hath God died." |
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Helpful quote from the episode
"The Honey Offering": Rommie:
Someone calling himself Fleet Marshal Cuchulain Nez Pierce. -- Dylan: Put
it through. -- Tyr: Belay that! -- Dylan: You know him? -- Tyr: By reputation.
He masterminded the Dragons campaign against the Than colonies in the Orion
arm. <...> And after my little excursion to Enga's Redoubt, it's best
if Cuchulain never learns of my presence here. I advise extreme caution. Funny quote from the same episode: Elsbett: Cuchulain! He's caught up! -- Dylan: What is it that Nietzsche said? "God is dead." |
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Cuchulain: My task force has just engaged the Andromeda Ascendant in the outer solar system. From all reports, she's not acquitting herself very well. -- Dylan: Andromeda's a big ship. She can take care of herself. -- Cuchulain: Ever seen a pack of wolves take down a grisly bear, Captain? Oh, sure, the bear can dish it out at first, but the wolves attack and attack and attack. Sooner or later, the bear loses. -- Dylan: My money's still on the bear. Although both of them seem to be speaking about the ship, it will not hurt to remember that Kodiak is a breed of grizzly bear native to Kodiak Island, Alaska (the biggest on Earth). |
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Zack Stentz (writer): To a degree, Dylan's behavior was supposed to make the audience uncomfortable (aside from the reappearance of a recurring theme in our episodes -- the hero who wins by being more ruthless than the villains). (11.11.01 Slipstream BBS) | ||||
Zack Stentz (writer): Dylan in "Una Salus Victus" was a special case. Dylan was with a Nietzschean he didn't fully trust, going into the lion's den against other Nietzscheans. Under those circumstances, a lot of the coldness and nastiness was pure posturing -- an Alpha dog struggling to maintain status with two other Alphas. (21.10.02 Slipstream BBS) | ||||
Adrian Huges (Cuchulain): "My character isn't quite as willing to sacrifice everything, and being a chess player, he knows that he can come back and set up a better ambush next time." (11.01 Starlog #292) | ||||
Orpheus (member of the Board): Dylan's gambit reminds me of Nikita Khrushchev, who used to bang his shoe on his desk during UN session to interrupt other speakers, when the USSR was just starting to become a nuclear power. The US had more nukes and raw military power, but the world worried more about the possibly unstable Soviets - who milked it for all the concession they could. I have a photo that shows Khrushchev at his desk at the UN, with a shoebox visible at his feet. He didn't take off his shoes in rage and beat the desk. It was a planned strategem. (20.11.01 Slipstream BBS) |
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Zack Stentz (writer): Our take on it is that Dylan knew Tyr took SOMETHING that riled up the Dragans, but he didn't think Tyr would have the sheer audacity to pilfer Drago's bones until confronted with the evidence of Cuchulain's single-mindedness. It's the only explanation that explains why Dylan didn't confront Tyr long ago over his harboring such a magnet for hostile Nietzscheans. (20.11.01 Slipstream BBS) |
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Ashley Edward Miller (writer):
Clearly, whatever Tyr stole pissed off the Drago-Kazov... Dylan knew that
in "Music". So on some level, the contents of the casket were
academic. That said, Dylan also knew that Tyr would a) never do anything
that would bring himself to harm and b) quite simply, "Everything on
this ship belongs to me. Period." The casket was quite obviously important
(both to Tyr and the Drago-Kazov), but almost certainly not inherently dangerous
(e.g., a bomb)... and it gave Dylan a potential means of putting Tyr on
a leash. Which he did. Finding out that it contained the bones of Drago
Museveni was probably more extreme than the most extreme scenario Dylan
imagined -- but ultimately, his ass was still covered since the details
only changed the situation on the margins. Plus, for all Dylan knew Tyr had stolen back something that belonged to him. (Which he had). Something with obvious personal, emotional resonance. Given all of the above, Dylan decided not to pry -- figuring that if the truth became important, he could handle it. He took a chance on acting like a human being... and more importantly, Tyr's friend. Deep down, the guy wants to trust Nietzscheans. He likes them. And even more deeply, he wants closure with Rhade. Until "Home Fires", only Tyr could offer that closure. And now? Una salus victus... (03.12.01 Slipstream BBS) |
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Kevin Sorbo was supposed to just run down the hallway and around the corner, but instead grabbed a big rock and started running, and then stopped, looked at the camera, and said something like, "oops, almost forgot, this isn't Hercules!" That was during rehearsal, during the actual take he ran down the corridor like he was supposed to. (31.05.01 Andulasia's report from the set, previously on the site Andromeda Realm) | ||||
Home
Fires
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"With
their miniscule families, humans are often forced to rely on a "state"
or a "nation" for support. Pity them." Than-thre-kull Anthropology
text. Approx CY 7956
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Working title "The
Center Cannot Hold"
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Keep the Home Fires Burning, Overseas there came a pleading, This song was written in 1914 with music by Ivor Novello and lyrics by Lena Ford. |
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Gordon Michael Woolvett: "Pregnant
Sam [Sorbo] was in 'Home Fires' - we call it 'Home Fries' on the set. We
have pet names for every episode." (03.02 Starlog #296) |
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Kevin Sorbo: "We have another challenging episode for Dylan coming up called "Home Fires". It's a really cool episode. Way up there amongst my top five." (08.01 Cult Times #71) | ||||
Steve Bacic: "They initially wrote this 'other Rhade' to be a little warmer than Gaheris, but that warmth is just a different Nietzschean way of getting what he wants. What's fascinating is this character seems to have more of a human conscience. He's still very much a Nietzschean, but he might invite you over for tea, sort of feel you out, throw a few things your way and see where you stand. Gaheris would never have that much tact. (Bacic laughs.) So even though they're related, their approach to survival and procreation slightly differs. At least I hope that's how it comes across." (Summer 2001 TV Zone special #42) | ||||
Rommie: So what are you going to do? -- Dylan: The same thing General Sani nax Rifati did six thousand years ago. I'm gonna get the military out of the republic. Time to give Telemachus Rhade a little history lesson. 4279 CY: The Conclave votes to officially
dissolve the Empire and replace it with a fully democratic Systems Republic.
The Imperial government resists, and civil war seems imminent. The tense
standoff ends when High Guard supreme commander Sani nax Rifati brokers
a compromise. The Vedran Empress will remain as titular leader of her
former empire, but with political power ceded to an elected government.
The Systems Commonwealth is born. (from the Timeline of All Systems University) |
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Kevin Sorbo: "Dylan
is going to come to terms with the reality of where he is now. This season
has one particular episode 'Home Fires', where he just comes to the realisation
that everything he had in his past - his fiancee, his family, his friends
- they are really gone." (19.10.01 Sci-Fi.com - video interview) |
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Deleted scene
(shot-but-never-seen):
Tyr and Beka are roaming the decks of the
Andromeda. At one crossing, they are joined by Dylan. |
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Steve and Kevin are singing
"Happy birthday"
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Into
The Labyrinth
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"To
a God, a wall is but a line on the page. We are all naked, seen beyond
seeing". Wayfinder Hasturi a.k.a. "The Mad Perseid", 217
AFC
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Zack Stentz (writer): "Into the Labyrinth" is a strange little story about making deals with the devil - both metaphorical and literal." One of the "devils," according to Stentz, is Archduke Charlemagne Bolivar. The character was described as a 'fop' in season one, but there's more to him than meets the eye. "We started thinking - what if everyone's got Charlemagne all wrong? What if this is a guy who uses decadence as a facade to conceal a killer intellect and ruthless disposition? The model we were going for was the Tim Roth character in Rob Roy - a seemingly foppish fancy dresser who'll cut you to shreds as soon as you let down your guard." (22.11.01 JamesMarsters.com + Slipstream News) | |
Kevin Sorbo is 6'3 tall, but not everybody
else is. That was the problem facing James Marsters (Charlemange Bolivar),
when he headed up to Vancouver, Canada, last May to film a guest appearance.
"When you're trying to be as tall as Kevin Sorbo," says Marsters,
"you need a little help." |
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James Marsters: I was horrified by my costume. When you're playing a dangerous dandy, the best thing you can say is Tim Roth, right? He got it on the nail. He got all the social, all the airs that are put on from the Aristocracy but he created a character that was truly dangerous. I wanted to be in that mold and they just wanted the frooffy and the costume reflected that. I fought them a little on that frankly. I didn't think that character should be unmanly. I thought he should be very manly. You know, having said that, Kevin Sorbo was really cool, you know. It was a hard-working cast. (29.08.03 Dragon Con - transcribed by talkenglish2me) |
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Kevin Sorbo: "James Marsters did a good job. The part [of Charlemagne] originally was written for Bruce Campbell, and Bruce was unavailable because of a book he wrote; he was on a book tour. James brought a whole different take on the part. He was great, he was very funny. He actually put a very British twist to it, to his dialogue, and it was quite funny." (11.01 Xpose #61) | |
Ashley Edward Miller (writer): <The Xener
yell, done by that white-mummy character right before it attacked.>
Personally, I thought it was pretty damned hilarious. It made the Diet
Coke come out of my nose when I saw it. (Kudos, Allan Eastman -- you da
man, dawg! ) |
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At the end, when Charlemagne and Dylan are
exchanging lines about a sea of troubles and opposing them to end them,
they share the quote from Shakespeare's "Hamlet": Ashley Edward Miller (writer): Hamlet was wrestling with regicide/patricide -- the consequences on his immortal soul of taking action vs. standing back and allowing the chips to fall where they may. (6.12.01 Slipstream BBS) |
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Zack Stentz (writer): written but never shot
scene from "Into the Labyrinth" that I thought I'd share. It
picks up right at the tail end of Satrina's attempted seduction of Dylan:
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The
Prince
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"Absolute
power corrupts absolutely. Which is a problem. If you are powerless."
Drago Museveni, "Manifesto" CY 8433
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Working title "Legacy"
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The title comes from the Nicolo Machiavelli's novel "The Prince" (1505). | |
Keith Hamilton Cobb: "That story seemed to me to be getting back to what my character is and does. In "The Prince" you see some of the politics and inner working of Tyr's mind played oat for what he perceived was the good of someone else. Both he and Dylan take their job as regent very seriously but for different reasons. One could look at Dylan's and say, 'Yours is the less noble because you are trying to put this guy in a position where he is going to be amenable to your new Commonwealth. So you are playing politics for your own good and not necessarily for the good of that world.' Tyr, on the other hand, is trying to put the prince in power because he was asked to and also because Erik is the rightful heir. He also wants to make certain that he stays in power, so he is teaching him sort of Machiavellian 101. It is assignment, though, that he would embrace because it is a challenge and something interesting to sink his teeth into. 'Take this guy and turn him into a real prince - you bet!' He took great pride in helping do that, and I relished the acting opportunity as well." (11.02 TV Zone #156) |
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Keith Hamilton Cobb: "We did a gorgeous,
sunny day of location work on the campus of Simon Fraser University [in
Vancouver]. A knife fight with five men on the steps of the city drew real
blood, luckily all my own. I wonder if the final TV version will feature
my bleeding hand." (29.06.01 Andromeda Journal - formerly on The Official
Keith Hamilton Cobb Site) "I got teased somewhat when I actually cut my hand during a knife fight. There was real blood drawn. I thought it made for a more realistic performance, but the stunt coordinator was not amused." (04.02 Cult Times #79) |
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Keith Hamilton Cobb: "That was a very strong episode. In fact, from my perspective, it was one of the strongest episodes thus far. Usually my take is that Tyr's relationship and his interraction with other characters are not as much in the fore as I feel they could be, but in 'The Prince' I loved the exploration of the possibility of Dylan and Tyr as regents to the throne. I really got into how they responded to the gargantuan task of deciding 'How best to be king?' I also relished the opportunity to get immersed in all the court intrigue. The episode is rife with politics and intrigue - the backbone of Nietzschean philosophy. I thoroughly enjoyed the opportunity to expand upon Tyr's development." (04.02 Cult Times #79) | |
Robert Hewitt Wolfe (head writer): We didn't like the name Eric Oleson came up with (can't remember why), so Matt and Joe changed it to Eric for fun and as a nod in the direction of the original writer. Sorry if we made him seem egomanical. Our bad. (21.01.02 Slipstream BBS) | |
Eric: United, we are a great nation. Divided, we shall fall. The formula "United we stand, divided we fall" can be attributed to Aesop (6 c. BCE) who used it in the fable "The Four Oxen and the Lion". In American history it regained popularity with political orators from Benjamin Franklin to Abraham Lincoln. |
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Eric: A government elected by the people, and for the people. "It is rather for us to be here dedicated to the great task remaining before us -- <...> and that government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the earth." President Abraham Lincoln (The Gettysburg Address, 1863) |
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Dylan: Tyr, those people you told Eric to study, Sun Tzu, Hedonis of Thonia, Machiavelli, I've read them too. Sun Tzu (Sunzi) (c. 4 century BC) - name used by the unknown Chinese authors of the sophisticated treatise on philosophy, logistics, espionage, strategy and tactics known as "The Art of War", the worlds first military classic. Sun Tzu tells us "The supreme art of war is to subdue the enemy without fighting." And: "All warfare is based on deception. Hence, when able to attack, we must seem unable; when using our forces, we must seem inactive; when we are near, we must make the enemy believe we are far away; when far away, we must make him believe we are near. Hold out baits to entice the enemy. Feign disorder, and crush him." Sun Tzu’s teachings have remained timely because they accept human faults as both unavoidable and useful in any strategy. |
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Keith Hamilton Cobb: "While I will take
into account that you are probably not getting the full version of the
episode as it was written or performed, what remains, I believe, still
has value as a greater insight into Nietzschean thought-to-action processes
than anything I've seen thus far. Maybe I'm blowing my own horn, but I
believe I'm playing on pitch. For no other aspect of the ep. can I speak,
but if you'll look a bit closer, you may see that the writer is attempting
to give his audience more credit rather than less. |
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Bunker
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"Here
is the price of freedom: Your every drop of courage, ounce of pain, pint
of blood. Paid in advance". Sebastian Lee "The Rising Tide"
AFC 271
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The title is a reference to the Battle of Bunker Hill (1775, during Revolutionary War), which was lost by the American guerrilla rebels, but demonstrated that the enemy can be defeated. The Revolutionary soldiers finally had to retreat, but the British regular troops took heavy casualties and it was a real turning point in the war. | |
The first shot of Boston shows lying in ruins obelisk -- that's the Battle of Bunker Hill Monument (which is proudly standing in present-day Boston). |
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Screenwriters had to make an episode in which Hunt would hardly appear, leaving Kevin Sorbo free to greet his first son. | |
Zack Stentz (writer): There actually
was a scene that was shot but had to be cut for time reasons (wrongly, IMHO--
I would have rather cut the fun but extraneous Tyr and Elssbett scene),
in which Harper decides that he's going to stay and fight with Brendan and
Rommie basically threatens to break his legs and carry him back to the Maru
if he doesn't come with her, before softening and explaining that Harper
is much more urgently needed back on Andromeda, and that "I don't want
to lose someone else who I love." (27.01.02 Slipstream BBS) |
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Rommie: I cannot believe we are going to war to help Elssbett and the Jaguars. -- Beka: Well you know that old expression 'Politics make strange bedfellows.' Beka uses common saying, which comes from Shakespeare's play "The Tempest". A storm has shipwrecked a group of the people on an island. Trinculo, a jester, is forced by thunder into the nearest shelter, which is cloak of Caliban, a deformed native. As Trinculo puts it, "misery acquaints a man with strange bedfellows". (Act 2, scene 2) |
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Harper: Great, "start the revolution without me". Anything else I can do for you? Transmute the elements? Reverse entropy? Make you a sandwich? "Start the Revolution Without Me" (1970) is a comedy set in revolutionary France, which can be considered a parody of a number of works of historical fiction about the French Revolution. |
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Rommie: No plan of battle ever survives the first engagement with the enemy. + <later> Dylan: You know, a plan of battle rarely survives the first engagement with the enemy. "No plan survives intact the first encounter
with the enemy." Formula by Helmuth von Moltke (1800 -1891), famous
Prussian general. Moltke recognised the increasing need to delegate control
to subordinate commanders and to issue directives rather than specific
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Ouroboros
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"Spiral,
spin, ride the whirlwind. Knowing when the drumming stops, There'll be
no second dance." Ulatempa Poetess, "Rhythms" CY 9825
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The ancient symbol for eternity, often depicted as a serpent biting its own tail and thus forming a closed loop, is known in a host of mythologies: Babylonian, Egyptan, Phoenican, Greek, Hindu, Chinese, Norse. Greeks called it the Ouroboros, which means devouring its tail. The ouroboros has several interrelated meanings. Foremost is the symbolism of the cyclic nature of the Universe: creation out of destruction, life out of death. |
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Richard Lewis (Production Designer):
Brent couldn't wear the make-up at all. He voiced the character and another
actor (one who had played Magog in previous ep's wore the make-up). I think
the scene was written short because we felt that the performance between
Brent and the other actor might look too false. (2.02.02 Slipstream BBS) |
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Harper: Engineer heal thyself. It is an alteration of the phrase "Physician,
heal thyself", known from the Gospel of St. Luke (4:23): Jesus returned
to Nazareth. The people were not impressed by him. Jesus said to them,
"Ye will surely say unto me this proverb: 'Physician heal thyself!'
Do here in your hometown what we have heard that you did in Capernaum."
Some interpret it as "prove your reputation", some as "one
should address his own faults before trying to fix someone else's". |
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Harper: I cogito, therefore I sum, and I sum to cogito that damn machine right out of existence! Cogito, ergo sum (Latin) - Descartes' fundamental basis of philosophy: "I think, therefore I exist". |
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Lisa Ryder: "The first time Jorge Montesi directed me, I did a take and he said to me, 'Excuse me if I'm wrong, but I understood Beka to be a very tough woman.' I told him, 'Yes, she is', and he said, 'Well, she didn't seem like it in that take'. I thought, 'OK, I'll swallow my pride and do another take'." (Fall 2002 TV Zone Special #47) | ||||
Laura Bertram: "Make-up wise, it's a treat to be Gold Trance. My day is so much easier now, and it's the same for our wonderful make-up artists. When I was wearing the purple make-up it would peel off and constantly have to be re-applied and/or touched up. That's when one's patience is tried and it is very hard to constsntly keep it together. I try to be professional all times but there were days when I just wanted to scream into a paper bag. So the change saved my sanity." ((04).04 TV Zone #174, UK) | ||||
Lisa Ryder: "The reason I loved 'Ouroboros' was because it was one of those shows where there was less of an A story, B story and C story and more about all of us working on a common problem to come to a result at the end. The episode was also about relationships, and to me relationships are the grist of acting. Trance and I have a very interesting relationship in that she is, in some ways, the most powerful person in the crew and becoming more so, as you'll see in the future. Beka, who has always been her captain, is starting to realise that this young person is not only growing up, she is completely out-classing all of us in ways we don't understand." (04.02 Cult Times Special #21) | ||||
Kevin Sorbo: ""Ouroboros" was another one of my favorites this year. That could have changed the whole future of Dylan's mission, and it also introduced us to a great new director, Jorge Montesi. He has found a place in all of our hearts, and he is going to direct four episodes next season. He is really good director. "Ouroboros" is a kind of episode I want to do more of. It had action from beginning to end. It was nonstop, and there was plenty of character development for everybody. It was great sci-fi, with Trance and Beka meeting their future selves. The idea of all that is just cool to me, being a kid who grew up watching SF. I like that kind of stuff. Why not?" (05.02 Starlog #298) | ||||
Lava
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"You
can't outrun Death forever. But you can make the Bastard work for it".
Major Korgo Korgar, "Last Of The Lancers" AFC 32
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<Series co-producer Ethlie Ann Vare said that> Robert Wolfe was heavily involved in developing 'Lava and Rockets.' ((03).12.01 SyFy Portal) | ||||
Zack Stentz (writer): I'm surprised no one caught the "Bunker Hill" followup in "Lava and Rockets," when Beka clearly states that Dylan's mission to the Haukon system was to arrange purchases of weapons to arm and equip the new Commonwealth. So Dylan's quite actively pursuing a course to make sure that they'll be better armed in their next encounter with the Drago-Kazovs. (01.04.02 Slipstream BBS) |
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Kevin Sorbo: "We may be
bringing back Kristin Lehman [Molly]. She is a very good actress. I would
do the first half of it over because I know personally I could have been
better in it, but you don't get the chance to rehearse it; you shoot 10
pages a day, so you always feel like you can do better with your performance,
but the chemistry with her was great. She's a fun actress, and she's very
good and they are gonna think about bringing her back." (Summer 2002
Starburst Special #53) |
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Kevin Sorbo: "Kristin Lehman and I had very good chemistry. She is a great actress and there is a good "Moonlighting"-type chemistry between us. Will have to wait and see what happens." Ever the joker, Sorbo quips, "I mean, come on, let the guy have a little action, you know? It's been over 300 years. The guy is more than ready for some sex." (09.02 Cult Times #84) | ||||
Zack Stentz (writer): To clarify a point: At least in the script, ONE cop gets shot. In the leg. Everyone else is bopped on the head or chased off by the heroes. No one is killed. Onscreen, they sparked the one guy a little bit uncomfortably high on his thigh, but none of the cops are supposed to have been killed, either. (02.02 Slipstream BBS) |
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A kiss for luck never hurts... Okay, it felt slightly overused, but it works and it's progression was authentic: once as a scam, once in reply, once as a mutual endeavor, the fourth, in the denoument, was optional. |
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Ashley Edward Miller (writer): <that blonde was playing possum to get Dylan to give her mouth to mouth> Molly was legitimately injured -- if something else came across on screen, blame the director. (02.02 Slipstream BBS) |
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Kevin Sorbo: I had a really good
time doing "Lava and Rockets". (05.02 Starlog #298) |
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Kevin Sorbo: "[Dylan] never gets laid! OK, there are two episodes <...> The other one was Lava and Rockets. Those are good episodes; you can see why Dylan would be attracted to this person and why they end up falling into bed." (06.03 Dreamwatch #105) | ||||
Be
All My Sins Remembered
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"I
trust fast poison, The stars to wink out, and you, my love - and you."
Lyric from "The Void" By Minstrel d'Becevex CY 9905
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The title comes from the end of the famous
'To Be or Not to Be' soliloquy from Shakespeare's "Hamlet": |
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Although Sorbo didn't provide any spoilers, the actor mentioned that two episodes had to be rewritten following the September 11 terrorist attacks because they dealt with "anthrax-type virus and terrorist" themes. (04.12.01 Gabereau Live, Canada TV) Kevin Sorbo: <We had an episode> dealing with somebody hijacking our spaceship and trying to use it on a suicide mission to fly us into a planet to destroy a city. That script was written nine months ago! We changed that one because it was a little too close to home. (26.12.01 ET Online) |
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Dylan (on screen): Good luck on Hazen-Brown. Tyr, you've got command. I know you'll display the appropriate sensitivity and diplomacy in dealing with the Chichins. -- Tyr shuts off the comm. Helpful quote from the episode "The Pearls That Were His Eyes" = Rev: Oh oh, the drift trader that you're
meeting is called Grask. Now he's a… Chichin. |
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The scene with Dylan blinking the Argosy code to Rommie was reminiscent of a real life event. In 1966, the North Vietnamese took one of their POWs, Jeremiah Denton, a Navy pilot who was shot down about a year earlier, and tried to force him to denounce the US for war crimes in a propaganda video they were making. After several days of intense torture and threats of more, they put him in front of the camera for the broadcast 'interview'. He didn't denounce the US and instead spelled out "TORTURE" by blinking his eyes in Morse code. While this bought Denton severe punishment, it was important because it was the first proof the US had that POWs were being mistreated. Denton remained a POW for almost seven more years and lived through it. He retired as a Rear Admiral and went on to become a Senator for Alabama. (Slipstream BBS - post by Sparborth IV) | ||||
Rommie (needling Tyr): Dylan did that! At Gallifrey Convention (2002) co-writer Jill Sherwin said that it was a Lexa ad lib. |
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Based on an early version of the script, sources were able to provide the following plot information for this episode. <...> Raising his one robotic arm, Bobby demands Dylan's force lance, and when Dylan refuses to give it up he moves blindingly fast to grab Harper and break his arm. <...> The reason Bobby wanted Beka to come to Cascada Sueno is because many years ago, this was the planet where she thwarted his plans to deliver weapons to the natives. Bobby still blames Beka for this, and says she is the reason they lost a war against the colonists. <...> In one of flashbacks, the ship is being attacked by the so-called Ganymede Tong. At the same time, Bobby is beating up Harper, with the approval of Beka, who suspects Harper of having revealed the ship's location to the Tong. Harper quickly admits that he did so, but angrily adds that he really is the least of Beka's problems - after all, wouldn't the Ganymede Tong always have come after whoever stole 500 surface-to-air missiles from them? <...> The Maru ejects its cargo, and the Tong ship moves to retrieve it - only to be destroyed when the Eureka Maru's cargo explodes! Harper explains he removed the guidance computer systems from the missiles, turning them into big bombs - so not only did the bad guys explode, they've also still got the computers. Bobby asks Beka how she can possibly trust Harper, who she barely knows. But Beka replies that she knows Bobby only all too well. As a last resort, Bobby says he loves her. "I know. I love you, too," says Beka, but then adds, "Go. Go before I shoot you." After a long look, Bobby turns and leaves. (18.10.01 Slipstream News) |
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Dance
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"Blink
and it's gone, A moment, a breath, A Dance of the Mayflies. Just enough...
For a Lifetime". Ulatempa Poetess, "Rhythms" CY 9825
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Although Sorbo didn't provide any spoilers, the actor mentioned that two episodes had to be rewritten following the September 11 terrorist attacks because they dealt with "anthrax-type virus and terrorist" themes. (04.12.01 Gabereau Live, Canada TV) Kevin Sorbo: Months ago, we shot a couple of episodes, one that dealt with an anthrax-type virus that was being spread, <...>. (26.12.01 ET Online) |
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Lexa Doig: "That was my least-favorite episode, I can honestly tell you! With the number of script changes it went through, I don't even know what its initial incarnation looked like. The first scene I shot of that episode was the last scene with Kevin. And I had a disagreement with the director, because his attitude was, 'Underneath all this, you're telling him that you're in love with him.' And I said, 'No. I think it's a more interesting choice for her to be pissed off, because she doesn't understand it.' At this point I look at Andromeda kind of as an adolescent, and we all know teenagers are extraordinarily angry people. <...> When you see the inherent unfairness, it angers you: 'This doesn't make any sense!' And then you hope that wisdom comes later on in your life, when you see that the unfair moments are just moments." (10.05.02 Slipstream Web) | ||||
Laura Bertram: "The fight scenes were very exciting for me, [but] the real focus was on being able to do the physicality and be convincing. That episode was most enjoyable because of that, because of the opportunity to interact with Rommie in that fight, and my stunt double for that was amazing. She made it look so good; we worked together offscreen. It was really involved, it was a very difficult episode to film, but it was fun." (Fall 2002 Starburst Special #54) | ||||
Rommie: How do they [humans] make friends, have relationships? Fall in love? How do they connect knowing that nothing is permanent, that even love dies? -- Dylan: See, that's where you're wrong. Love doesn't die. It's the only thing that lasts forever. I mean, your body could be destroyed, or run out of power but when the universe ends and the last star burns out, the only thing that will be love. The love Dylan speaks of obviously is not love in the romantic sense, it is love for an individual for the being that they are. And here our military commander sounds suspiciously very much alike famous nonviolence advocate Mohandas K. Gandhi, who said: "Hatred ever kills, love never dies, such is the vast difference between the two. What is obtained by love is retained for all time." |
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Kevin Sorbo: "I
originally looked at the script for "Dance of the Mayflies" and
said, 'What is this about? A zombie episode? Come on.' But they did a good
job with it. I look at it now and go, 'That's just a fun, fun episode'."
(05.02 Starlog #298) |
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Note the way Kevin keeps
stuntman's hand to help his landing.
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In
Heaven Now Are Three
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"The true quarry of any great adventurer is the undiscovered territory of their own soul." Lady Aenea Makros "The Metaphysics of Motion" CY 6416 |
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Celeste [Chan Wolfe, screenwriter] says that Dylan, Beka and Trance are parallels to Brahma, Shiva and Vishnu in Hindu mythology. (04.03.02 Slipstream BBS - posted by Cardie) So, the title refers to the famous Hindu triad. Brahma is the originator and director of the universe, the balance between the opposing forces of Vishnu and Shiva. Vishnu is the protector and preserver of the existent universe. Shiva is the destructor and restorer, his duality comes from the rhythmic nature of the universe: creation out of destruction, life out of death. |
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This episode is based upon a story by Robert Hewitt Wolfe and his wife Celeste Chan Wolfe. The teleplay was written by former "Xena: Warrior Princess" writer Emily Skopov. First draft teleplay by Emily, second draft by Matt Kiene and Joe Reinkemeyer, final draft by Matt Kiene and Ashley Edward Miller. |
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Lisa Ryder: That episode was a hard one to make work. It started out as a very different script. The original concept started out as, the crew goes on leave, and I have this thing to pursue, this little adventure. And I don't want Dylan to come along, but he's like, 'Yeah, I'll come along, it'll be fun!' Fun?! And he proceeds to fish or golf throughout the whole thing, not taking my quest very seriously. <...> Dylan and Beka cannot say how they really feel about each other, so they couch it in humor. They're very reluctant to talk to each other on a personal level. (29.07.02 Slipstream Web) | ||||
Celeste [Chan Wolfe, screenwriter] explained that in its original version, the episode would play like a light-hearted, Indiana Jones-style romp. There are some fairly silly scenes of Dylan in tourist garb, and a running gag about him playing the guitar very badly. He also goes fishing at one point and returns with several fish hanging from his force lance. He really thinks they are on vacation, even though Beka is all gung-ho to find this treasure. It would only be as the series unfolded according to Robert's plan that we would look back and see the episode's importance-which is that destiny required that Dylan and Beka come together as a team with Trance's aid, because it is the three of them that will be able to save the universe from the total extinction planned by SotA. The artifact that is recovered, a scepter, turns out to be a part of some very powerful machine that can create and destroy universes-but we don't know that in the original script. It's just a cool artifact that can bring Beka a good price. (04.03.02 Slipstream BBS - posted by Cardie) |
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Shurikan - very popular kind of the projectile Japanese weapons, usually of the palm size or smaller. We have seen Tyr using them against Dylan at their meeting day (first season episode "An Affirming Flame"). This one is just the far more bigger, far more dangerous version... and self-governing to boot. | ||||
"When Kevin had a break in filming, the three of us went to his dressing room (a huge motor home, really), and we chatted for a while. In his dressing room was his guitar - he said he was scheduled to play it in an upcoming episode, so he had to practice!" (05.01 Andulasia's Vancouver Adventure) |
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Lisa [Ryder] is off book more than even Kevin
when it comes to rewriting the existing lines. He tends to add things
not there at all [which fortify the thruth of him been the high professional
- additional lines can be easily cut off if director or screenwriter will
dislike them.]. Here is apparent on-set ad libs in additon to existing
dialog: (05.03.02 Slipstream BBS - posted by Cardie) |
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These are line substitutions. First is the
original line in the final draft script. The second is the one actually
uttered in the episode. (05.03.02 Slipstream BBS - posted by Cardie) |
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The
Things We Cannot Change
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"Home
is the sailor, home from the sea And the hunter home from the hill."
- fragment of Ancient Earth Text, c. CY 6800
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The title may come from the lines of the well-known Serenity Prayer: "God, grant me the Serenity to accept the things I cannot change, Courage to change the things I can, and the Wisdom to know the difference." But I prefer to think that it has more to do with the famous quote -- "Man is a creature of hope and invention, both of which belie the idea that things cannot be changed." Why I cling to this explanation? It fits nicely not only with the episode storyline, but with all Dylan's post-Fall life. Above-cited phrase is from the novel "Debt of Honor" by Tom Clancy, US novelist, the master of a series of military thrillers. Well, Dylan IS contradicting the idea that things cannot be changed on daily basis. |
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"Home is the sailor, home from the
sea And the hunter home from the hill." - Fragment of Ancient Earth
Text, c. CY 6800 These are the world famous lines of the 'Requiem' written by Robert Louis Stevenson (1850–1894) which are on the bronze plate of his tomb: Under the wide and starry sky I really appreciate the skill of the writers effortlessly throwing epigraphs over the shoulders of the episodes. And this one comes to the point of impact giving at first the good feeling of safety and peace, but after you remember the death-dealing context of the poem it sends the shiver down your back. |
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While dream Dylan is supposed to be keen on soccer, he keeps holding the soccer ball like a basketball. (14.04.02 Slipstream BBS, post by Cardie) | ||||
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Dylan (talking
to the mirror): Maybe you're some kind of a, I don't know, holodrama superrace,
you know, and I'm a specimen in your zoo, you know. Maybe that's it. Maybe
I'm in the zooooo!!!
Episode has strong connection with classic novel by Kurt Vonnegut "Slaughterhouse-Five, or The Children's Crusade" which combines science fiction elements with a deep psychological analysis. World War II. American soldier Billy Pilgrim is captured by German soldiers and placed into prison altered from a slaughterhouse in the city of Dresden. For unsure reasons Billy has become "unstuck in time" so he knocks about his life. He is visiting random days, turning from deep snow in Germany before his capture to living married in America after the war, or from his murder on the Earth to him been exhibited in a zoo on the planet Tralfamadore. One of his Tralfamadorian captors says that out of 31 inhabited planets, only on Earth is there the idea of free will. Little by little Billy has adopted Tralfamadorian fatalism and spread this philosophy to humans. The narrator notes that Billy had a copy of the Serenity Prayer in his office. "Among the things Billy Pilgrim could not change were the past, the present, and the future." |
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Q: What was the significance of the color of 's clothing cycling from black to grey to white, while Dylan's underwent the opposite change? -- Ethlie Ann Vare (writer): You'll have to ask Jorge Montesi. That wasn't in the script. Directors often find a visual image system to heighten or complement the story. This was his. Also, notice that the furniture kept disappearing... (17.04.02 Ethlie Ann Vare's Question & Answer Forum) |
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Ashley Edward Miller or Zack Stentz explained that what was happening was the Trance and Harper were trying to use the device from 'Banks of the Lethe' and Trance was saying something like "come on Dylan" and the machine was half way working which is why for a moment Dylan saw "Trance" instead of Liandra, and why he heard her voice, but in the end it was going to tear him apart so he yelled out to Trance and Harper to shut it off. (04.02 Slipstream BBS) | ||||
Laura Bertram or Brent Stait told the fans how in the last scene Kevin came onto the bridge and instead of anticipated line said: "I'm captain Dylan Hunt, and I definitely prefer brunettes." (04.02 Starfest Convention) | ||||
Ethlie Ann Vare (writer):
"Conceptually, "Things" combines 'Total Recall' and 'The
Last Temptation of Christ'. Dylan is wooed by a life more peaceful and comfortable
than the path he has chosen for himself." (07.04.02 www.ethlieannvare.com) |
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Kevin Sorbo: There's a clip show that was very nicely written. It's a good one, where Dylan gets sucked out into space. He's, luckily, in an EVA suit, but he still goes unconscious and starts to dream. And the dream is Dylan with a wife and a kid. A lot of the show involves the crew trying to find me and save me, but Dylan's enjoying this little peaceful existence eight years into the future. I've got the wife, an eight-year-old, and I'm trying to fight within my own dream: who I am, is this real, is this woman in front of me real? It's an interesting episode, and I'm pretty pleased with the way it's turned out. (14.02.02 13th Street) | ||||
The
Fair Unknown
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"To
venture in the Fair Unknown I must enter as I leave: A traveller, alone."
Anonymous, CY 1917
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The French poet, Renaud de Beaujeu,
wrote "Le Bel Inconnu (The Fair Unknown)" at the end of the 12th
century. It was the story of Guinglain (Gyngalin), one of the Knights of
the Round Table, son of Sir Gawain. He was called "Fair Unknown",
as his true identity and name had been concealed from him. The poem was
a typical tale of the hero who searched for his identity. The story was
quite popular in the medieval Europe. In the 14th century appeared "Libeaus
Desconus", an English romance detailing the adventures of the said
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John Parry (writer): In one of the meetings Zack [Stentz] had this great epiphany and just blurted out that the story was all about a guy running home to his parents only to find out they're just as f****d up as he is (the original idea I pitched was very, very different and a whole lot darker). <...> While I think the guys saw the Vedrans as classic Roddenberry aliens (intelligent *and* rational *and* superior), no one ever said that they were "nice." Without giving too much away, just because Dylan wants a New Commonwealth doesn't necessarily mean they do. <...> I think Dylan very possibly did go there sooner and didn't find any Vedrans, perhaps instead the beginnings of Kalderan strip mining ops. Facing a good portion of the Kalderan fleet with just his ship probably didn't interest him, so he bided his time. The moment a Vedran was rumoured to be there, the situation changed. <...> Uxulta did say that "Tarn Vedra is aware of Dylan's efforts and approves." So I guess you could say that even *if* (and that's a big *if*) she didn't come from there, she's definitely in contact with them. Or she's a damn good liar. And, when she tesseracted the system out of the universe, it had to go somewhere... (30.04.02 Slipstream BBS) |
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Zack Stentz (writer): "The Fair Unknown" survived the post-Wolfe rewriting process more or less intact. (22.04.02 alt.tv.andromeda) | ||||
Laura Bertram was very sick that week and insisted on working and so they decided to keep her as warm as possible. That is the story of the poncho told to us by the costume designer. (15.07.02 Slipstream BBS - "Set visit" by Dylanite) | ||||
Beka: I've been around the moons of Nibia and through perdition's flame, but I've never heard of the place. A nod to the movie "Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan" (1982). Many years ago Khan Noonien Singh was forced by captain James T. Kirk to stay on the desert planet. Now Khan has escaped his exile and seeks revenge on Kirk. Khan is quoting lines (sometimes modified) from the novel "Moby Dick" he'd read during his days on the planet. "Khan: I'll chase him round the moons of Nibia and round the Antares maelstrom and round perdition's flames before I give him up!" ("Ahab: I'll chase him round Good Hope, and round the Horn, and round the Norway Maelstrom, and round perdition's flames before I give him up!") |
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Ashley Edward Miller (writer): <I wish
someone had let Tyr say "I told you so..." because he was suspicious
of their motives right from the start...> Tyr doesn't have to say a
thing. Again, why beat you over the head with something you should be
able to figure out for yourself? That's condescending to both Dylan and
the audience. And by the way... has it occurred to you that Tyr might
be frelling wrong? Or that Dylan's cognitive dissonance -- i.e., perception
of Vedrans vs. reality -- might (gasp) be the point of the episode? Huh.
Imagine that... In any event, Dylan's discovery that he's unable to blindly
follow orders anymore (again, re: perception vs. reality) is the point
of the episode. The fact that he ultimately agrees to obey the order is
clearly far more than a knee-jerk response to the Admiral's rank. And
it's equally clear that he still harbors doubts at the end, even though
he decided to have faith in the Vedrans. That's what faith is -- having
questions, but believing anyway. |
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Zack Stentz (writer): I hope to God that a military commander being faced with an order from an alleged superior claiming to represent a government that hasn't been seen for three centuries and demanding a horrifically destructive weapon without explaining why, would at the very least question those orders. For Dylan to have done otherwise would have been a gross dereliction of duty. (21.04.02 Slipstream BBS) |
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Deleted scene (shot-but-never-seen): Dylan and Beka walking Andromeda's corridors.
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Belly
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"Beneath
knowing, understanding. Beneath understanding, seeing. Beneath seeing,
recognizing. Beneath recognizing, knowing." Keeper of the Way, Vision
of Faith, CY 10003
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The title of the story is reminding of the Jonah's sea creature from the Old Testament (Book of Jonah); while the story itself has more to do with the sea monster Cetus from the Greek myth. Jonah disobeyed God's order to go to Nineveh and prophesy disaster because of the city's wickedness. He even tried to move in the opposite direction. But when a storm was about to destroy the ship, Jonah admitted to the crew that it is his fault. They threw him overboard and Jonah was swallowed by a great fish and stays inside it for three days and three nights. After been vomited onto land he went Nineveh. The biblical story of Jonah suffering in the belly of the beast has become a metaphor for being trapped, imprisoned, etc. Poseidon sent the sea monster Cetus (sometimes known as simply a whale) to ravage Ethiopia. The god decided to punish the king Cepheus and his wife Cassiopeia, who claimed that her daughter was more beautiful than all the Nereids. Cetus wasted Cepheus's kingdom and he was forced to sacrifice his daughter: Andromeda was chained to the rock for the monster. She was rescued by Perseus, who used abnormal weapon - he turned Cetus into stone showing him the head of Medusa. |
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Harper: A conduit, a conduit, my kingdom for a conduit! (He opens door to room full of fire and jumps in.) I had a hard time trying to imagine Harper reading Shakespeare's tragedy "King Richard III", but here he is altering the classical line "A horse! a horse! my kingdom for a horse!" Well, that's interesting... in the episode of the 1 Season "The Sum Of Its Parts" he was paraphrasing the line from another Shakespeare's play "Julius Caesar"... |
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Harper: Call me Ishmael, but the rad patterns from Dylan's bomb created a juicy target… "Call me Ishmael" is the opening line of "Moby Dick", introducing the only character who survived, young romantic. "Moby Dick or, The Whale" by Herman Melville (1851- First American edition was published by Harper & Brothers, NY) is the story about Captain Ahab's obsessive pursuit of the malevolent snow-white whale. In his end, exterminating personification of the World's Evil, Captain takes his crew with him. The only survivor is the narrator, who is rescued by a passing ship. Ishmael, Ahab and crew battle reshaped some of most complex questions: Is it better to fight evil or promote virtue? Where is the line between honorable justice and blind vengeance? Do bad things happen because the universe is evil or just indifferent? ...Just another story to keep in mind while watching this episode. |
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Kevin Sorbo: "Another script that we didn't think was going to work was 'Belly of the Beast.' That ended up bringing me back to what the original Star Trek was about. It was a Star Trek-type episode that was just a blast to do." (05.02 Starlog #298) | ||
According to Zack Stentz, several months pass between "Belly of the Beast" and the next episode. Where they got the new slipstream drive will remain a mystery. (Slipstream BBS) | ||
The
Knight, Death, and the Devil
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"A
soldier's first battlefield is always his own mind." Admiral Constanza
Stark, CY 9762
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The title of the episode comes from "The Knight, Death and The Devil" (1514) - copper engraving by Albrecht Durer, painter and printmaker generally regarded as the greatest German Renaissance artist. This etching has the Knight and his faithful dog continuing on in pursuit of their quest, despite the temptations to abandon it (the Devil), and the fear of failure (Death). In "The Knight, Death and the Devil" the lighting plays symbolical role. The sheet of engraving is divided into two plans. The first - dark. The Knight courageously moves forward through gloomy gorge, being between Death and the Devil. The second plan is flooded by light. Two different worlds, and to get in the second, it is necessary to overcome gloom and horrors of the first. |
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Zack Stentz (writer): "The Knight, Death, and the Devil" was in outline form before Wolfe was fired, though Ash [Ashley Miller] and I tried to channel the spirit of Robert Wolfe in the writing process as best we could. (22.04.02 alt.tv.andromeda) | ||||
Not for certain, but it is possible, that Clarion's Call, once a Ground Troop transport for the High Guard Lancer Corps, now retrofitted as casino run by Nightsiders, was mentioned in the 1 Season. "Admiral Shura: What, you think this is the only High Guard relic still tooling around out there? Over Neiture-3 (sp?) they got a Shimmering Diamond Class troop transport rebuilt as a casino." (episode "Star-Crossed") |
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A clarion is a medieval small horn. "Clarion call" means a sharp, clear, calling for battle sound, war-cry. |
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Kevin Sorbo: "And we just finished an episode with Michael Hurst, who played Iolaus, my sidekick on "Hercules" for seven years [seasons]. He came up from New Zealand. He plays an AI and had to shave his eyebrows to do it." (05.02 Starlog #298) | ||||
Ryan: Welcome to the Clarion's Call. We've got it all here, sir. We've got games, spa, flesh rooms, and don't forget our new Iolausian buffet. "Iolausian buffet" was said to be Michael's ad lib. There are two meanings of the simple word "buffet": 1) refreshment bar and 2) blow. |
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With deference to Michael Hurst and "Hercules" fans the writers slipped some amusing H:TLJ references in the story. Dylan: You look like the right guy to
me. -- Ryan: Well, I don't care what I look like. I can't help. -- Dylan:
I'm disappointed. Ryan: They're in Tartarus. -- (Dylan's
weird look on face) -- Ryan: Something wrong? -- Dylan: Deja Vu. Dylan (to Ryan): You watch my back and
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Oh, and on the sidenote - amongst the works by afore-mentioned Albrecht Durer one can find "Hercules at the Crossroad", "Hercules" and "Hercules fighting the Harpies". |
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Rommie (to Tyr): We're hell on wheels with dirty limericks. Wanna hear one? There once was a man from Nan... Obviously she didn't finish this classic limerick. Limericks are, generally, nonsense poems that are written with a particular pattern: "There once was..." - "There once was a man from Nantucket, Who kept all of his cash in a bucket, But his daughter, named Nan, Ran away with a man, And as for the bucket, Nantucket." |
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The name of "The Wrath of Achilles" is well-aimed. Achilles is the hero from the legends of Ancient Greece. His most famous adventure is told in the "Iliad". He became the fiercest fighter for the Greeks at Troy, but in the last year of the Trojan War he refused to fight any longer after a quarrel with Agamemnon over the woman. Angered Achilles turns to his mother, goddess, and at her request Zeus makes the war to go badly for the Greeks. Achilles's manner of behaving results in the death of his friend Patroclus by the Trojan prince Hector. Achilles reentered the battle and killed Hector in return, he desecrates Hector's corpse and is going to deprive it of burial. Only in final song of "Iliad" Achilles softenes witnessing the woe of Priam, Hector's father. Achilles gives out the corpse for burial and cries together with old Priam over it. |
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Zack Stentz (writer): There's
a wonderful book by Dr. Jonathan Shay (a psychiatrist who works with traumatized
combat veterans) called 'Achilles in Vietnam'. He essentially delivers a
reading of the 'Iliad' which presents Achilles as a classic PTSD [post-traumatic
stress disorder] sufferer who loses his own humanity, only to regain it
through acknowledgement of the humanity in his enemy. Our final episode
of the season, "The Knight, Death, and the Devil" -- plays more
explicitly with these myths. It's set in a P.O.W. [prisoners of war] camp
for High Guard starships and even features a ship named 'The Wrath of Achilles'.
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Zack Stentz (writer): Actually, the point of the Beka story was much more that the idea of the Commonwealth is more important than any one person. Before, Beka did it out of loyalty and friendship toward Dylan (plus her own personal agenda to retrieve the Engine...) while now, she believes in it as a worthy goal unto itself. See the difference? (28.04.02 Slipstream BBS) |
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Christopher Judge (Achilles) said it was an absolute blast working with Kevin and Michael even off the set they just fired off each other and kept the entire crew in fits of laughter with one liners, he said it was just magic and he would love to be a part of that again. (23.05.02 Andromeda Forum, information shared by Stripe) | ||||
Zack Stentz (writer): I think there's also another important point in the exchange between Dylan, Tyr, and Ryan. In it, Tyr invokes the Nietzschean ethos (Ryan manifesting the Will to Power in taking his action) and actually convinces Dylan to change his mind. (Matt and Joe tend to emphasize the survival and reproductive aspects of Nietzschean culture, while Ash and I tend to play up the "impose one's will on a hostile universe" aspects). In fact (for everyone complaining about Dylan always being right) a major theme of the episode is Dylan confronting his own Commonwealth-era prejudices regarding AIs and learning to grow and change... (28.04.02 Slipstream BBS) | ||||
Kevin garbled the word.
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Immaculate
Perception
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"The
soul of the Nietzscheans is this: We are arrogant. We are vain. We are
manipulative. We are selfish. And we love our children." Drago Museveni,
"Primary Reflections" CY 8428
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The title of the episode comes from the name of the chapter of Friedrich Nietzsche's 'Thus Spoke Zarathustra'. |
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<Series co-producer Ethlie Ann Vare said that> Robert Wolfe was heavily involved in developing 'Immaculate Perception'. ((03).12.01 SyFy Portal) Zack Stentz (writer): "Immaculate Perception" wasn't really a post-Wolfe script. First draft of this one was already completed when Robert Wolfe was fired. (22.04.02 alt.tv.andromeda) |
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While the opening quote is turning our attention to the baby, unmasking words of Nietzsche's Zarathustra seem to indicate that the major event of the episode is appearance of the Knights. "Oh, ye violators of noble names! But it shall be your curse, ye immaculate ones, ye pure discerners, that ye shall never bring forth, even though ye lie broad and teeming on the horizon! Verily, ye fill your mouth with noble words: and we are to believe that your heart overfloweth, ye cozeners? <...> A God's mask have ye hung in front of you, ye "pure ones": into a God's mask hath your execrable coiling snake crawled." |
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Dylan: Rule one - 'Know your enemy'. -- Tyr: Rule two - 'Know yourself'! They share a quote from "The Art of War" by Sun Tzu (which was mentioned in the episode "The Prince"): "If you know the enemy and know yourself, you need not fear the result of a hundred battles. If you know yourself but not the enemy, for every victory gained you will also suffer a defeat. If you know neither the enemy nor yourself, you will succumb in every battle." |
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1 Season' episode
"Double Helix" == Tyr: I am Tyr Anasazi. Out of Victoria by
Barbarossa! -- Freya: Barbarossa, son of Hannibal, or Barbarossa, son of
Temujin? -- Tyr: Temujin. And in this episode we meet Tamerlane, great-grandson of Temujin. Tamerlane (1336 - 1405) - His original, Turkic, name is Timur. European version of his name was derived from the Persian "Temur-lang" (Timur the Lame - as he was lame in the right leg after serious injury). He has conquered more than anyone else except for Alexander the Great. Timur: "All expanse of the populated part of the world is not worth having two rulers." His armies crossed Eurasia, he built a powerful empire with Samarkand capital and became the last of great nomadic leaders. He declared that he had restored the Mongol Empire of Genghis Khan. But in contrast to Genghis Khan, Timur has not found in the descendants neither reliable assistants, nor continuers of the affair. His life's work appeared, therefore, even less durable, than result of efforts of the Mongolian conqueror. |
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As to the lying to Dylan about his family, Keith [Hamilton Cobb] said he wanted to work off on the scene on Tyr's loss in order to make the lie based in truth. The scene that was cut was after Dylan walks away from Tyr in the corridor, Tyr says the name Freya and breaks into tears at the loss, just shaking at the pain of the loss of his wife, who chose him and was the mother of his child, and that he would not be around his child as he would like. (06.02 Tulsa Convention - Report by movieimp) |
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A little bit of information not mentioned on screen, but tossed in the synopsis from The Official Site: "In a small cottage on the planet Midden, Olma holds the child, rocking and singing him to sleep." [Midden is a Drago-Kazov slave planet from 1 season episode "Music Of A Distant Drum"] | ||||
Tunnel
At The End Of The Light
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"Welcome
twilight. Welcome blackness. Welcome inky night. Only in darkness Can
I see your soul." "Lost Verses of Krrendar", CY 9542
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Kevin Sorbo: "I've got my 50 planets, and I say, 'Look, this is it. These are the 50 seed planets of the Commonwealth. It's up to you guys to build it up.' And in the middle of all this great, wonderful ceremony, we get attacked. We're in the wrong place at the wrong time; that's what it comes down to. They're not trying to break up the Commonwealth. These aliens just entered a part of the universe where they thought nobody else would be around. So all hell break loose, and we have to come up with a way to destroy them." (05.02 Starlog #298) | |
Kevin Sorbo: The finale is just a fun, action-packed, crazy show. We get attacked by a totally unknown alien from another universe. (14.02.02 13th Street) | |
Season two of "Andromeda"
hurtles to an end with the cliffhanging finale. In this crazily busy episode,
alternate universe aliens attack Captain Dylan Hunt and his crew aboard
the Andromeda. The episode itself makes for entertaining TV, but the behind
the scenes saga is even more intriguing. "After the first cut, people were really nervous about it," Sorbo recalls. "It's a big episode. It tried to be too much. You've only got 42 minutes to put these things together. It was a really big concern for <the production entities> Fireworks and Tribune. The first cut didn't quite make the grade. People were not happy with it. It seemed very difficult to follow. It seemed like it wasn't filled in enough. It came back after we worked on it again. We aired it for the crew and people went nuts. The Commonwealth is sort of established now. We're in the wrong place at the wrong time and these aliens go after us. We're in their airspace at the wrong time and they basically say to us, 'Who the hell are you guys and what are you doing in our way?' They are very dark, strange creatures; very Alien looking, like from the Alien movies. They're from a bilateral universe and have found a way to develop this machine that acts as a tunnel to our universe. I just thought it was a rock'n'roll riot. The last 15 minutes just fly by. It was a lot of fun. It's hard to get people to laugh and clap, and our crew did a lot of that at our screening of the finale, so I guess it worked. They liked what they saw. They could see that their work was being appreciated and put to the best use possible. It's a nice collaborative effort, what we're doing on "Andromeda". (09.02 Dreamwatch, UK) |
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Kevin Sorbo: "I think that
the cliffhanger from last year, 'The Tunnel" is going to make an interesting
two-parter. My personal feeling is that "Tunnel" and the following
episode should be shown like a two-hour special and should air back to back
to give them their full effect because individually they are great and together
they'd be tremendous." (09.02 Cult Times #84) |
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